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Who Was Zi Lu in the Analects?
When you search "zi lu" or zilu, you usually want one disciple placed among many names in the Analects. On this site you meet him as Chi Lu in Hsien Tsin 11.11: he asks about serving spirits and about death, and you hear that the living come before spirits, and life before death. You can start with that scene and skip any life story the pages do not give.
Place Zi Lu by the passages, not by a life of Zhong You
If you want a compact entry before you open each chapter page, the people index labels him as Zi Lu—a direct and courageous disciple, often taught through questions of action and government. That line is enough for you to start: follow the linked scenes, keep source, guide, and reflection in separate layers, and refuse to invent sayings the live pages do not show. Treat the index as a map of doors, not as a finished essay that replaces reading. On the English pages Legge prints Tsze-lu, Chi Lu, Yu, and Chung Yu for this same person; zilu and Zhong You are search forms, not extra disciples. Chinese lines on that index also print 子路, 仲由, and 季路. The index card for this chapter says Xian Jin 11.11; the live short title you should cite is Hsien Tsin 11.11. Many other doors sit on the index—this Note keeps two.
Ask about spirits—hear 未能事人，焉能事鬼 before death
In Hsien Tsin 11.11 the source line is 季路问事鬼神。子曰，未能事人，焉能事鬼。敢问死。曰，未知生，焉知死。 The modern Chinese guide on that live page says: 季路问怎样侍奉鬼神。孔子说：连活人都还不能侍奉好，怎么谈得上侍奉鬼神？季路又说：我大胆地问一问死是怎么回事。孔子说：连生的道理都还不明白，又怎么能明白死呢？ Legge’s 1893 English on the same page reads: Chi Lu asked about serving the spirits of the dead. The Master said, "While you are not able to serve men, how can you serve their spirits?" Chi Lu added, "I venture to ask about death?" He was answered, "While you do not know life, how can you know about death?" You can take that as a door about the living task in front of you, not as a story of how Zi Lu died. When you cite it, keep source Chinese, the guide, and Legge’s English as separate layers. The page’s local reflection box stays apart from those layers; you should not paste a reflection back into the source line.
One lighter door—hear a line, then carry it out
Elsewhere you may lightly open The Analects · Kung-ye Ch'ang 5.13. The source says 子路有闻，未之能行，唯恐有闻。 The guide on that page says: 子路听到一个道理，还没能付诸实行，就唯恐又听到新的道理。 Legge writes: "When Tsze-lu heard anything, if he had not yet succeeded in carrying it into practice, he was only afraid lest he should hear something else." The index card labels this door Gong Ye Chang 5.13; the live short title is Kung-ye Ch'ang 5.13. Hold it only as a side door about action before the next lesson—not as the primary door of this page, and not as a government manual. You can glance once, then return; this Note stays with who Zi Lu is and how you read 未知生，焉知死.
Not Ran You, not the other disciple Notes, not a 正名 essay
Elsewhere you may see Ran You named beside 季路 on the Zi Lu index under Xian Jin 11.2, or you may already have Who Notes for Zhong Gong, Zi Xia, and Zeng Zi. The live Duke Ding of Lu Note is about that duke, even where its chapter title says Tsze-lu; you should not retell it here. The same index lists Zi Lu 13.3, and the live chapter page does turn a government question toward 正名—you should leave that chain alone so it does not become the subject. You should not merge these names into a single résumé of disciples, and you should not treat this page as a Yao–Shun–Yu note or a rewrite of those Who Notes. Keep each name on its own live page when you need it.
How you should cite him
When you quote Chi Lu’s questions or the Master’s answers, you should name the live chapter URL and say whether you used source Chinese, the modern guide, or Legge’s English. Source, guide, and reflection stay separate: you may use the local reflection box for one practical action, but you must not treat that reflection as a new Analects line. You can mention search interest lightly, but you should never invent impression counts, death dates, or Wei stories that the sentence you cite does not print. Your honesty is the passage page, not a smoother paraphrase that invents a saying.
FAQ
Who was Zi Lu in the Analects?
You meet Zi Lu (子路; also 仲由 and 季路; search forms zilu and Zhong You) as the direct, courageous disciple on the people index, often taught through action and government. In Hsien Tsin 11.11 the English page calls him Chi Lu: serving the living comes before spirits, and life before death. Your best answer is that door plus the index—not a life of Zhong You invented outside the text.
Why do people search "zi lu," zilu, or 子路?
You often want a clear identity: which disciple, which question, which chapter door. Search those phrases, or Legge’s Tsze-lu and Chi Lu, then open the live 11.11 page rather than a summary that invents chapter numbers or skips 未能事人焉能事鬼. Your reading stays honest when source, vernacular guide, and reflection stay in separate layers. You do not need a smoother slogan before you have read the line.
What does 未能事人，焉能事鬼 mean in 11.11?
You hear Chi Lu ask about serving spirits, and the Master refuse to begin there while living people are not yet served. The same exchange then turns to death, and the source line is 未知生，焉知死. Hold that as the task in front of you, not as a death narrative. Your next step is the live Hsien Tsin page, not a slogan you paste onto every funeral.
Are Chi Lu, Tsze-lu, 季路, and 仲由 the same person?
You are looking at one disciple. The 11.11 source names him 季路, and Legge on that page prints Chi Lu. Other lines fetched with the index print Tsze-lu, Yu, or Chung Yu, and the Chinese prints 子路 and 仲由. Zhong You and zilu are ways you may search that same name, not a second student you should split off. You should not invent a Legge spelling the English page does not print.
What about 子路有闻，未之能行 in 5.13?
You may open Kung-ye Ch'ang 5.13 once: Tsze-lu hears something and, until he has carried it into practice, fears hearing something else. Read that only as action before the next theory. It is not a manual of government, and it is not the primary door of this Note. You should return to Hsien Tsin 11.11 for the main reading of who he is. Keep the guide’s wording on the live page rather than a shortened substitute.
What is not this essay?
You will not find here a Ran You Note, a Zhong Gong, Zi Xia, or Zeng Zi Who Note, a Duke Ding of Lu overview, a Yao–Shun–Yu page, or a 正名 essay built on Zi Lu 13.3. Those names appear only so you do not confuse the doors. Your next step is the 11.11 page or the Zi Lu index, not another overview that repeats other Notes on this site.
How do you keep AI from inventing Zi Lu quotes?
If you use a model as a reading aid, you should paste the live passage and ask questions, not for a Wei adventure or a saying the page does not show. Always refuse any newly minted Analects line. Your verification path is the published chapter URL on this site, lunyu.ai. Source, guide, and reflection stay separate even when a tool offers to blend them into one fluent paragraph you might mistake for the text.
Read Hsien Tsin 11.11 next
When you are ready for the clearest door on Zi Lu’s question about spirits and death, open The Analects · Hsien Tsin 11.11 and read source, guide, and Legge side by side. Ask yourself whom you still owe service among the living—then stop, and return to the live text rather than to a summary of the disciple. Keep reflection in its own box; you should not let it rewrite 未知生，焉知死.