Concepts
Li
Li is not finishing a ceremony. It is reverence given a form that can be checked.
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How the word is used in the book
Harmony must still be regulated by li
Youzi prizes harmony, then adds the limit: harmony without the restraint of li will not work. Li here is a measure, not a festive mood.
Xue Er 1.12xue-er-012Lin Fang asks for the root of li
Confucius calls the question great, then pulls ritual back from luxury and polished mourning to frugality and grief. The root is not display.
Ba Yi 3.4ba-yi-004Returning to li is the work of ren
When Yan Yuan asks about ren, the items are: do not look, listen, speak, or move contrary to li. The form is a limit on the self, not a manual for managing others.
Yan Yuan 12.1yan-yuan-001Is li only jade and silk?
To reduce li to jade and silk, and music to bells and drums, is the confusion the book names. The vessels can remain after reverence has gone.
Yang Huo 17.11yang-huo-011Align by li, not by punishment
Government and punishment make people seek escape. Virtue and li give shame and a place to stand. In the political chapters, li is set against penalty, not against having any rule.
Wei Zheng 2.3wei-zheng-003
Easy confusions
Li is not empty ceremony
Book 17 asks whether li is only jade and silk. Asking about each matter in the ancestral temple is mocked as ignorance; Confucius calls the asking itself li. Knowing the program and having reverence are not the same act.
Li is not law
“Guide by government, align by punishment” is set against “guide by virtue, align by li.” Li asks for shame and correction, not for a statute that pins people down. Reading it as archaic criminal law, or as a company policy, erases the contrast.
Featured passages
These passages are enough to answer what li does in the book, and what it is not. Other source passages that contain 礼 follow under “view all.”
- Xue Er 1.12xue-er-012
1. The philosopher Yu said, "In practising the rules of propriety, a natural ease is to be prized. In the ways prescribed by the ancient kings, this is the excellent quality, and in things small and great we follow them. 2. "Yet it is not to be observed in all cases. If one, knowing how such ease should be prized, manifests it, without regulating it by the rules of propriety, this likewise is not to be done."
- Wei Zheng 2.3wei-zheng-003
1. The Master said, "If the people be led by laws, and uniformity sought to be given them by punishments, they will try to avoid the punishment, but have no sense of shame. 2. "If they be led by virtue, and uniformity sought to be given them by the rules of propriety, they will have the sense of shame, and moreover will become good."
- Wei Zheng 2.5wei-zheng-005
1. Mang I asked what filial piety was. The Master said, "It is not being disobedient." 2. Soon after, as Fan Ch'ih was driving him, the Master told him, saying, "Mang-sun asked me what filial piety was, and I answered him,—'not being disobedient.'" 3. Fan Ch'ih said, "What did you mean?" The Master replied, "That parents, when alive, be served according to propriety; that, when dead, they should be buried according to propriety; and that they should be sacrificed to according to propriety."
- Ba Yi 3.3ba-yi-003
The Master said, "If a man be without the virtues proper to humanity, what has he to do with the rites of propriety? If a man be without the virtues proper to humanity, what has he to do with music?"
- Ba Yi 3.4ba-yi-004
1. Lin Fang asked what was the first thing to be attended to in ceremonies. 2. The Master said, "A great question indeed! 3. "In festive ceremonies, it is better to be sparing than extravagant. In the ceremonies of mourning, it is better that there be deep sorrow than a minute attention to observances."
- Ba Yi 3.15ba-yi-015
The Master, when he entered the grand temple, asked about everything. Some one said, "Who will say that the son of the man of Tsau knows the rules of propriety! He has entered the grand temple and asks about everything." The Master heard the remark, and said, "This is a rule of propriety."
- Ba Yi 3.17ba-yi-017
1. Tsze-kung wished to do away with the offering of a sheep connected with the inauguration of the first day of each month. 2. The Master said, "Ts'ze, you love the sheep; I love the ceremony."
- Li Ren 4.13li-ren-013
The Master said, "If a prince is able to govern his kingdom with the complaisance proper to the rules of propriety, what difficulty will he have? If he cannot govern it with that complaisance, what has he to do with the rules of propriety?"
- Tai Bo 8.2tai-bo-002
1. The Master said, "Respectfulness, without the rules of propriety, becomes laborious bustle; carefulness, without the rules of propriety, becomes timidity; boldness, without the rules of propriety, becomes insubordination; straightforwardness, without the rules of propriety, becomes rudeness. 2. "When those who are in high stations perform well all their duties to their relations, the people are aroused to virtue. 3. When old friends are not neglected by them, the people are preserved from meanness."
- Tai Bo 8.8tai-bo-008
1. The Master said, "It is by the Odes that the mind is aroused. 2. "It is by the Rules of Propriety that the character is established. 3. "It is from Music that the finish is received."
- Yan Yuan 12.1yan-yuan-001
1. Yen Yuan asked about perfect virtue. The Master said, "To subdue one's self and return to propriety, is perfect virtue. If a man can for one day subdue himself and return to propriety, all under heaven will ascribe perfect virtue to him. Is the practice of perfect virtue from a man himself, or is it from others?" 2. Yen Yuan said, "I beg to ask the steps of that process." The Master replied, "Look not at what is contrary to propriety; listen not to what is contrary to propriety; speak not what is contrary to propriety; make no movement which is contrary to propriety." Yen Yuan then said, "Though I am deficient in intelligence and vigour, I will make it my business to practise this lesson."
- Yang Huo 17.11yang-huo-011
The Master said, "'It is according to the rules of propriety,' they say.—'It is according to the rules of propriety,' they say. Are gems and silk all that is meant by propriety? 'It is music,' they say.—'It is music,' they say. Are bells and drums all that is meant by music?"
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- Xue Er 1.13xue-er-013
The philosopher Yu said, "When agreements are made according to what is right, what is spoken can be made good. When respect is shown according to what is proper, one keeps far from shame and disgrace. When the parties upon whom a man leans are proper persons to be intimate with, he can make them his guides and masters."
- Xue Er 1.15xue-er-015
1. Tsze-kung said, "What do you pronounce concerning the poor man who yet does not flatter, and the rich man who is not proud?" The Master replied, "They will do; but they are not equal to him, who, though poor, is yet cheerful, and to him, who, though rich, loves the rules of propriety." 2. Tsze-kung replied, "It is said in the Book of Poetry, 'As you cut and then file, as you carve and then polish.'—The meaning is the same, I apprehend, as that which you have just expressed." 3. The Master said, "With one like Ts'ze, I can begin to talk about the odes. I told him one point, and he knew its proper sequence."
- Wei Zheng 2.23wei-zheng-023
1. Tsze-chang asked whether the affairs of ten ages after could be known. 2. Confucius said, "The Yin dynasty followed the regulations of the Hsia: wherein it took from or added to them may be known. The Chau dynasty has followed the regulations of Yin: wherein it took from or added to them may be known. Some other may follow the Chau, but though it should be at the distance of a hundred ages, its affairs may be known."
- Ba Yi 3.8ba-yi-008
1. Tsze-hsia asked, saying, "What is the meaning of the passage—'The pretty dimples of her artful smile! The well-defined black and white of her eye! The plain ground for the colours?'" 2. The Master said, "The business of laying on the colours follows (the preparation of) the plain ground." 3. "Ceremonies then are a subsequent thing?" The Master said, "It is Shang who can bring out my meaning. Now I can begin to talk about the odes with him."
- Ba Yi 3.9ba-yi-009
The Master said, "I could describe the ceremonies of the Hsia dynasty, but Chi cannot sufficiently attest my words. I could describe the ceremonies of the Yin dynasty, but Sung cannot sufficiently attest my words. (They cannot do so) because of the insufficiency of their records and wise men. If those were sufficient, I could adduce them in support of my words."
- Ba Yi 3.18ba-yi-018
The Master said, "The full observance of the rules of propriety in serving one's prince is accounted by people to be flattery."
- Ba Yi 3.19ba-yi-019
The Duke Ting asked how a prince should employ his ministers, and how ministers should serve their prince. Confucius replied, "A prince should employ his minister according to the rules of propriety; ministers should serve their prince with faithfulness."
- Ba Yi 3.22ba-yi-022
1. The Master said, "Small indeed was the capacity of Kwan Chung!" 2. Some one said, "Was Kwan Chung parsimonious?" "Kwan," was the reply, "had the San Kwei, and his officers performed no double duties; how can he be considered parsimonious?" 3. "Then, did Kwan Chung know the rules of propriety?" The Master said, "The princes of States have a screen intercepting the view at their gates. Kwan had likewise a screen at his gate. The princes of States on any friendly meeting between two of them, had a stand on which to place their inverted cups. Kwan had also such a stand. If Kwan knew the rules of propriety, who does not know them?"
- Ba Yi 3.26ba-yi-026
The Master said, "High station filled without indulgent generosity; ceremonies performed without reverence; mourning conducted without sorrow;—wherewith should I contemplate such ways?"
- Yong Ye 6.25yong-ye-025
The Master said, "The superior man, extensively studying all learning, and keeping himself under the restraint of the rules of propriety, may thus likewise not overstep what is right."
- Shu Er 7.17shu-er-017
The Master's frequent themes of discourse were—the Odes, the History, and the maintenance of the Rules of Propriety. On all these he frequently discoursed.
- Shu Er 7.30shu-er-030
1. The minister of crime of Ch'an asked whether the duke Chao knew propriety, and Confucius said, "He knew propriety." 2. Confucius having retired, the minister bowed to Wu-ma Ch'i to come forward, and said, "I have heard that the superior man is not a partisan. May the superior man be a partisan also? The prince married a daughter of the house of Wu, of the same surname with himself, and called her,—'The elder Tsze of Wu.' If the prince knew propriety, who does not know it?" 3. Wu-ma Ch'i reported these remarks, and the Master said, "I am fortunate! If I have any errors, people are sure to know them."
- Zi Han 9.3zi-han-003
1. The Master said, "The linen cap is that prescribed by the rules of ceremony, but now a silk one is worn. It is economical, and I follow the common practice. 2. "The rules of ceremony prescribe the bowing below the hall, but now the practice is to bow only after ascending it. That is arrogant. I continue to bow below the hall, though I oppose the common practice."
- Zi Han 9.10zi-han-010
1. Yen Yuan, in admiration of the Master's doctrines, sighed and said, "I looked up to them, and they seemed to become more high; I tried to penetrate them, and they seemed to become more firm; I looked at them before me, and suddenly they seemed to be behind. 2. "The Master, by orderly method, skilfully leads men on. He enlarged my mind with learning, and taught me the restraints of propriety. 3. "When I wish to give over the study of his doctrines, I cannot do so, and having exerted all my ability, there seems something to stand right up before me; but though I wish to follow and lay hold of it, I really find no way to do so."
- Xiang Dang 10.5xiang-dang-005
1. When he was carrying the scepter of his ruler, he seemed to bend his body, as if he were not able to bear its weight. He did not hold it higher than the position of the hands in making a bow, nor lower than their position in giving anything to another. His countenance seemed to change, and look apprehensive, and he dragged his feet along as if they were held by something to the ground. 2. In presenting the presents with which he was charged, he wore a placid appearance. 3. At his private audience, he looked highly pleased.
- Xian Jin 11.1xian-jin-001
1. The Master said, "The men of former times, in the matters of ceremonies and music were rustics, it is said, while the men of these latter times, in ceremonies and music, are accomplished gentlemen. 2. "If I have occasion to use those things, I follow the men of former times."
- Yan Yuan 12.5yan-yuan-005
1. Sze-ma Niu, full of anxiety, said, "Other men all have their brothers, I only have not." 2. Tsze-hsia said to him, "There is the following saying which I have heard:— 3. "'Death and life have their determined appointment; riches and honours depend upon Heaven.' 4. "Let the superior man never fail reverentially to order his own conduct, and let him be respectful to others and observant of propriety:—then all within the four seas will be his brothers. What has the superior man to do with being distressed because he has no brothers?"
- Yan Yuan 12.15yan-yuan-015
The Master said, "By extensively studying all learning, and keeping himself under the restraint of the rules of propriety, one may thus likewise not err from what is right."
- Zi Lu 13.3zi-lu-003
1. Tsze-lu said, "The ruler of Wei has been waiting for you, in order with you to administer the government. What will you consider the first thing to be done?" 2. The Master replied, "What is necessary is to rectify names." 3. "So, indeed!" said Tsze-lu. "You are wide of the mark! Why must there be such rectification?" 4. The Master said, "How uncultivated you are, Yu! A superior man, in regard to what he does not know, shows a cautious reserve. 5. "If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be carried on to success. 6. "When affairs cannot be carried on to success, proprieties and music will not flourish. When proprieties and music do not flourish, punishments will not be properly awarded. When punishments are not properly awarded, the people do not know how to move hand or foot. 7. "Therefore a superior man considers it necessary that the names he uses may be spoken appropriately, and also that what he speaks may be carried out appropriately. What the superior man requires, is just that in his words there may be nothing incorrect."
- Zi Lu 13.4zi-lu-004
1. Fan Ch'ih requested to be taught husbandry. The Master said, "I am not so good for that as an old husbandman." He requested also to be taught gardening, and was answered, "I am not so good for that as an old gardener." 2. Fan Ch'ih having gone out, the Master said, "A small man, indeed, is Fan Hsu! 3. If a superior love propriety, the people will not dare not to be reverent. If he love righteousness, the people will not dare not to submit to his example. If he love good faith, the people will not dare not to be sincere. Now, when these things obtain, the people from all quarters will come to him, bearing their children on their backs;—what need has he of a knowledge of husbandry?"
- Xian Wen 14.13xian-wen-013
1. Tsze-lu asked what constituted a complete man. The Master said, "Suppose a man with the knowledge of Tsang Wu-chung, the freedom from covetousness of Kung-ch'o, the bravery of Chwang of Pien, and the varied talents of Zan Ch'iu; add to these the accomplishments of the rules of propriety and music:—such a one might be reckoned a complete man." 2. He then added, "But what is the necessity for a complete man of the present day to have all these things? The man, who in the
- Xian Wen 14.44xian-wen-044
The Master said, "When rulers love to observe the rules of propriety, the people respond readily to the calls on them for service."
- Wei Ling Gong 15.17wei-ling-gong-017
The Master said, "The superior man in everything considers righteousness to be essential. He performs it according to the rules of propriety. He brings it forth in humility. He completes it with sincerity. This is indeed a superior man."
- Wei Ling Gong 15.32wei-ling-gong-032
1. The Master said, "When a man's knowledge is sufficient to attain, and his virtue is not sufficient to enable him to hold, whatever he may have gained, he will lose again. 2. "When his knowledge is sufficient to attain, and he has virtue enough to hold fast, if he cannot govern with dignity, the people will not respect him. 3. "When his knowledge is sufficient to attain, and he has virtue enough to hold fast; when he governs also with dignity, yet if he try to move the people contrary to the rules of propriety:—full excellence is not reached."
- Ji Shi 16.2ji-shi-002
1. Confucius said, "When good government prevails in the empire, ceremonies, music, and punitive military expeditions proceed from the son of Heaven. When bad government prevails in the empire, ceremonies, music, and punitive military expeditions proceed from the princes. When these things proceed from the princes, as a rule, the cases will be few in which they do not lose their power in ten generations. When they proceed from the Great officers of the princes, as a rule, the cases will be few in which they do not lose their power in five generations. When the subsidiary ministers of the great officers hold in their grasp the orders of the state, as a rule, the cases will be few in which they do not lose their power in three generations. 2. "When right principles prevail in the kingdom, government will not be in the hands of the Great officers. 3. "When right principles prevail in the kingdom, there will be no discussions among the common people."
- Ji Shi 16.5ji-shi-005
Confucius said, "There are three things men find enjoyment in which are advantageous, and three things they find enjoyment in which are injurious. To find enjoyment in the discriminating study of ceremonies and music; to find enjoyment in
- Yang Huo 17.21yang-huo-021
1. Tsai Wo asked about the three years" mourning for parents, saying that one year was long enough. 2. "If the superior man," said he, "abstains for three years from the observances of propriety, those observances will be quite lost. If for three years he abstains from music, music will be ruined. 3. "Within a year the old grain is exhausted, and the new grain has sprung up, and, in procuring fire by friction, we go through all the changes of wood for that purpose. After a complete year, the mourning may stop." 4. The Master said, "If you were, after a year, to eat good rice, and wear embroidered clothes, would you feel at ease?" "I should," replied Wo. 5. The Master said, "If you can feel at ease, do it. But a superior man, during the whole period of mourning, does not enjoy pleasant food which he may eat, nor derive pleasure from music which he may hear. He also does not feel at ease, if he is comfortably lodged. Therefore he does not do what you propose. But now you feel at ease and may do it." 6. Tsai Wo then went out, and the Master said, "This shows Yu's want of virtue. It is not till a child is three years old that it is allowed to leave the arms of its parents. And the three years" mourning is universally observed throughout the empire. Did Yu enjoy the three years" love of his parents?"
- Yang Huo 17.24yang-huo-024
1. Tsze-kung said, "Has the superior man his hatreds also?" The Master said, "He has his hatreds. He hates those who proclaim the evil of others. He hates the man who,
- Yao Yue 20.3yao-yue-003
1. The Master said, "Without recognising the ordinances of Heaven, it is impossible to be a superior man. 2. "Without an acquaintance with the rules of Propriety, it is impossible for the character to be established. 3. "Without knowing the force of words, it is impossible to know men."
What you can do today
Take one act you were about to do. Check it by the four items given to Yan Yuan: is this looking, hearing, speaking, or moving still inside li? If not, stop. This is not a ritual calendar.
Frequently asked questions
Who says that harmony is the most precious use of li?
Youzi, not Confucius. The book's first teaching on li is not marked 子曰. Do not reassign the speaker.
Which English word: ritual, rites, or propriety?
Legge often writes “the rules of propriety.” Ritual easily shrinks the word to ceremony. This site keeps Li in the title and sends you back to the Chinese.
Where is “without learning li, one cannot take a stand”?
The courtyard teaching often pairs “without the Songs, one cannot speak” with “without li, one cannot stand.” On this site Ji Shi 16.13 (ji-shi-013) has only the first half. “Without knowing li, one cannot take a stand” is Yao Yue yao-yue-003. Cite the stable URL.
If a person lacks ren, is li still of use?
Book 3 asks: if a person is not ren, what has he to do with li? Li does not work as a shell peeled off from ren. The line refuses empty form; it does not abolish form.
Did Guan Zhong know li?
Asked whether Guan Zhong knew li, Confucius points to the screen wall and the drinking stand: if that is knowing li, who does not know it? Achievement and ritual knowledge can be judged apart.
Why is serving a ruler with full li taken for flattery?
Book 3 records the confusion: full ritual service is taken for flattery. The book asks you to separate li from ingratiation, as it separates li from jade and silk.